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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on 4D&#8217;s Ajax Framework</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/thoughts-on-4ds-ajax-framework#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan - I'm glad to hear that and I figured as much. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Our major clients have IE6 as their standard corporate browser. It's one thing to fix IE6 bugs in our own code, but if the bugs are in the framework and I'm not supposed to edit the framework files, then I've got a problem... &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We've had &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; many issues supporting IE6 (including a few awkward moments with clients), that I'm pretty sensitive to IE6 support and don't take chances with it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'd rather give them a higher estimate/bill and develop with a tool like Flex where it may take more time, but I'm guaranteed that it will work everywhere when I'm done.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That said, I still see where 4DAF is useful and intend to try it out when I get an appropriate project. The sooner you fully support IE6 (or at least clearly define what I shouldn't use in the framework if I want IE6 support), the sooner one of those projects is likely to come along...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as 4DPartners.com - You've done a good job thinking about the site from the user's perspective, but it would help to also think about the site from the perspective of a search engine spider. Currently &lt;a HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=site:4dpartners.com" REL="nofollow"&gt;fewer than 300 pages on the site are indexed&lt;/a&gt; - I'm pretty sure that's a small fraction of what it should be. I can suggest a number of ways to fix that problem - contact me directly if it's something you guys decide to work on and we can discuss it more fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan - I&#8217;m glad to hear that and I figured as much. </p>
<p>Our major clients have IE6 as their standard corporate browser. It&#8217;s one thing to fix IE6 bugs in our own code, but if the bugs are in the framework and I&#8217;m not supposed to edit the framework files, then I&#8217;ve got a problem&#8230; </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had <i>so</i> many issues supporting IE6 (including a few awkward moments with clients), that I&#8217;m pretty sensitive to IE6 support and don&#8217;t take chances with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather give them a higher estimate/bill and develop with a tool like Flex where it may take more time, but I&#8217;m guaranteed that it will work everywhere when I&#8217;m done.</p>
<p>That said, I still see where 4DAF is useful and intend to try it out when I get an appropriate project. The sooner you fully support IE6 (or at least clearly define what I shouldn&#8217;t use in the framework if I want IE6 support), the sooner one of those projects is likely to come along&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as 4DPartners.com - You&#8217;ve done a good job thinking about the site from the user&#8217;s perspective, but it would help to also think about the site from the perspective of a search engine spider. Currently <a HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=site:4dpartners.com" REL="nofollow">fewer than 300 pages on the site are indexed</a> - I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s a small fraction of what it should be. I can suggest a number of ways to fix that problem - contact me directly if it&#8217;s something you guys decide to work on and we can discuss it more fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Coveney</title>
		<link>http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/thoughts-on-4ds-ajax-framework#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Coveney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually most parts of the framework run perfectly in IE6, see 4Dpartners.com for example. And yes we are working towards support for IE6 with each rev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually most parts of the framework run perfectly in IE6, see 4Dpartners.com for example. And yes we are working towards support for IE6 with each rev.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/thoughts-on-4ds-ajax-framework#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why they don't support IE6 - there's just &lt;i&gt;SO&lt;/i&gt; much that doesn't work in IE6. IE6 on XP doesn't even work the same way as IE6 on Win2K... Supporting IE6 would be a herculean effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why they don&#8217;t support IE6 - there&#8217;s just <i>SO</i> much that doesn&#8217;t work in IE6. IE6 on XP doesn&#8217;t even work the same way as IE6 on Win2K&#8230; Supporting IE6 would be a herculean effort.</p>
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		<title>By: thinkx</title>
		<link>http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/thoughts-on-4ds-ajax-framework#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>thinkx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis.. lack of IE6 support in the real-world is a project killer. If 4D made it a priority, it can be fixed. See http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis.. lack of IE6 support in the real-world is a project killer. If 4D made it a priority, it can be fixed. See <a href="http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html</a></p>
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