Comments on: Using 4D Live Window http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/using-4d-live-window Observations about technology, design, and search engine optimization by the staff of Slicksurface LLC - a design and technology company located in New York. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:44:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Larry http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/using-4d-live-window#comment-30 Larry Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:50:00 +0000 http://new.slicksurface.com/blog/?p=103#comment-30 I think the easiest way to highlight the issues with Live Window and Javascript on the Mac as well as the input issues on Windows (tab etc) are with an example. <br/><br/>One of the most compelling potential uses of Live Window is dynamic input forms. The combination of the Javascript issues (from the plugin commands) on Mac and the lack of tab key etc on Windows is that it renders this potential use of LW not viable.<br/><br/>As an examle of a javascript heavy site that does not work is the Robohelp HTML help system. As a first pass at LW usage we were intending to use LW to show the help in a local window. Unfortunately on Mac the Robohelp HTML help does not work correctly with the embedded Javascript when redered in LW. It works correctly in Safari.<br/><br/>One thing that does work well is dynamic custom reporting in LW using HMTL reports. You can create very compelling reports in LW. I think the easiest way to highlight the issues with Live Window and Javascript on the Mac as well as the input issues on Windows (tab etc) are with an example.

One of the most compelling potential uses of Live Window is dynamic input forms. The combination of the Javascript issues (from the plugin commands) on Mac and the lack of tab key etc on Windows is that it renders this potential use of LW not viable.

As an examle of a javascript heavy site that does not work is the Robohelp HTML help system. As a first pass at LW usage we were intending to use LW to show the help in a local window. Unfortunately on Mac the Robohelp HTML help does not work correctly with the embedded Javascript when redered in LW. It works correctly in Safari.

One thing that does work well is dynamic custom reporting in LW using HMTL reports. You can create very compelling reports in LW.

]]> By: bhutten http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/using-4d-live-window#comment-29 bhutten Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:12:00 +0000 http://new.slicksurface.com/blog/?p=103#comment-29 Re Javascript execution: Perhaps this was not made clear in the presentation (alas). Websites that contain Javascript generally work OK on both platforms (there are exceptions). But the Javascript commands /in the plugin/ - ie Web_JavascriptExecute and Web_JavascriptReturn do not work on the Mac.<br/><br/>(All the issues around Javascript and LiveWindow are confusing - it's not hard at all to find JS-heavy sites that work fine in Safari, for example, but do not work in LiveWindow. I've not been able to determine exactly what the causes are...) Re Javascript execution: Perhaps this was not made clear in the presentation (alas). Websites that contain Javascript generally work OK on both platforms (there are exceptions). But the Javascript commands /in the plugin/ - ie Web_JavascriptExecute and Web_JavascriptReturn do not work on the Mac.

(All the issues around Javascript and LiveWindow are confusing - it’s not hard at all to find JS-heavy sites that work fine in Safari, for example, but do not work in LiveWindow. I’ve not been able to determine exactly what the causes are…)

]]> By: Jay Harper http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/using-4d-live-window#comment-26 Jay Harper Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:11:00 +0000 http://new.slicksurface.com/blog/?p=103#comment-26 As mentioned, Live Window uses whatever version of Safari or IE that you have installed. So if you upgrade to Safari 3, Live Window will use Safari 3.<br/><br/>As far as Javascript execution not working on the Mac, I think he meant the ability to embed and execute your own code. I think Javascript that's already on the page will work fine. At least that was how I understood it. As mentioned, Live Window uses whatever version of Safari or IE that you have installed. So if you upgrade to Safari 3, Live Window will use Safari 3.

As far as Javascript execution not working on the Mac, I think he meant the ability to embed and execute your own code. I think Javascript that’s already on the page will work fine. At least that was how I understood it.

]]> By: thinkx http://www.slicksurface.com/blog/2007-10/using-4d-live-window#comment-24 thinkx Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:40:00 +0000 http://new.slicksurface.com/blog/?p=103#comment-24 > Javascript execution does not work on the Mac - at all<br/><br/>Oh wow.. that comes as a shock. Any indication is this will be fixed. Specifically, I was hoping 4D Live Window would quickly migrate to the Safari 3.0 engine. > Javascript execution does not work on the Mac - at all

Oh wow.. that comes as a shock. Any indication is this will be fixed. Specifically, I was hoping 4D Live Window would quickly migrate to the Safari 3.0 engine.

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